Klein Palomino XX XC Full Suspension

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[Jan 05, 2007]
Bruce MacPherson

OVERALL
RATING
3
VALUE
RATING
2
Strength:

Fox 100 X fork

Weakness:

linkage requires an upgrade Klein nor Maveric stand behind the flaw in the design a bering replacment kit sells for $325 when it should be provided for free a a design flaw replacement

once the design flaw was fixed great bike but you now wonder if the frame fails will they blame the upgraded linkage? the frame is thin and does dent easily

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Devinci dragonfly, homegrown pro schwin

[Apr 30, 2004]
Don Ricker
Racer

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

The Maverick design is top tier. Nothing i've been on touches it for effectiveness. Fox front end is a perfect balance. Bontrager wheels are nice and light but can't comment on durability as of yet.

Weakness:

Tad heavy compared to a fuel 100 or Scalpel but it offers 4" of travel vs 3 or 2.5. Bontrager seat is a joke and the seatpost is overweight too. Klein Grips...give me a break!

Rode a friends Pal XV last year and didn't want to like it. But after each ride i couldnt' get over how well the suspension worked. Fuels were primitive in comparison. Stand up and it just plain hammers. everything locks out till you hit a bump, it activates and locks out again after. I can't wait till my first sprints!
I was on a ti hardtail last year, in races i constantly lost ground on the downhills sections, this year i'm looking foward to them. The Klein gets smoother with speed (i've got it set to full race stiffness now with my body weight in air in the shock and the Fox pumped up to 80psi) it literally made the bumps seem to dissapear on a big ring downhill last night. I will have to start adusting my horizon line so that i don't come into turns too hot, so far thats the biggest problem with the bike...its too fast. I'll re-report after a few races and see if its up to that challenge. Other comments; its paint is too nice to scratch, xtr is xtr but the new shifting will take some additional hand strength during races as compared to the triggers of old. Klein has a very neutral balanced feel to the handling, i still find myself riding beyond myself on the trail but soon that should get adjusted for. I love the bike, if it was 1-2 pounds lighter it'd be flawless.

Similar Products Used:

Fuel 90, fuel 100,jekyll 900.

[Apr 25, 2006]
Jeff
Weekend Warrior

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

Light weight, rides great, climbs like nothing else I have ridden. Great sprinter no-bob riding.

Weakness:

front der. will have issues if you set it up before you set the suspension sag.

Best Xc bike I have owned.

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GT LTS 1000ds

[Jan 29, 2004]
Charlie
Cross Country Rider

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

Absolutely no noticable feedback on either end, thanks to Maverick mono-link and Fox F100X fork.

Weakness:

My bike is too new for me to speculate on this.

I just took this bike for its maiden voyage. I am very impressed. It rides like no other mountain bike I've ever ridden. I work at a bike shop, so I am familiar with all of the other new designs, and this bike trumps them all. The bike has absolutely no pedal feedback at either end, which is unlike the new SPV stuff that merely minimizes bob. It is amazing to get full pedal efficiancy with each stroke up hill, and then piont the thing down hill and float over all the bumps with as much plushness as any other high end cross-country full suspension design. This is first bike I've ridden that allows me to totally forget about the supension and just focus on riding. I didn't thing it was possible for a bike to be so seemingly perfect. I'd say its the perfect bike for someone who rides alot and is tired of riding bikes with squishy suspension and annoying lock-outs. You don't have to be a racer to appreciate a crisp-pedaling bike. Suspension feedback takes the fun out of pedaling. Of all the socalled "no-bob" bikes I've ridden, this one totally lives up to its claim. I'd say if you have the cash, get this bike over the cheaper models in the Palomino line, because the Fox F100X fork is half of the experience. The fork remains totally rigid when you hammer, yet it somehow knows when the trail is bumpy and activates. I have no business owning a bike like this, but I got a once-in-a-lifetime deal on it. I don't know how the Bontrager wheels will hold up, being that I weigh 185+ lbs. They are extremely light. The rest of the parts are nice. The XTR brakes work well enough for me, and so do the shifters. The handlebar is a little narrow for my liking, however. The bike, a size large, weighs in a 24.75 lbs, which was surprising to me. I expected it to be slightly heavier. I'm not a weight weenie, but the lightness of this bike is pleasing, provided that I don't break it.

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Gary Fisher Sugar 3+ disc

[Mar 30, 2004]
Camilo Vivas
Cross Country Rider

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

Well Balanced Feeling. Good Traction.
Efficient suspention.

Weakness:

none.

I am very impressed riding my new MTB. The bike has absolutely no pedal feedback. It has a total trail connection without power interruption. Fox F100 Xterra logic fork is amazing. You don´t feel bumps when you are going down hill.The XTR brakes work well enough for me, and so do the shifters.If you have the cash, get this bike you won´t be disappointed. This bike is very forgiving, making it possible to ride long hours (12hr) in complete comfort. It is agile and responsive, climbs better than my hardtail and makes me smile everytime I look at it.

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Trek 9.8 Elite.

[Apr 07, 2004]
andy lale
Cross Country Rider

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
4
Strength:

very light, very fast, fantastic front fork, great paint job

Weakness:

terrible decision to put the front derailleur on a movable bottom bracket link! I can't beleive the stupidity of this- it means that unless you have the back fork pumped up ridged the chain rubs against the bottom plate of the derailleur when the suspension depresses when the chain slackens on small cogs at the back. Because of where the derailleur is placed it is also ridiculously hard to change up on the left hand shifter. A small peice of inner gear cable may eleiviate this problem im gonna try it but otherwize I think its big cable wearing problems in 3 months time and a knackered left hand shifter. I wrote to klein and they told me not to use that combination of gears! Also seat stem not long enough for 'road racer height'

I love this bike but partly thats because ive spent so much money!
I bet they'll change the set up for the next model.

[Jan 21, 2005]
bill
Cross Country Rider

OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

Klein's usual meticulousness with the frame. Ride; XC riding is great, i.e. handles hi-cadence, cornering and tek areas really well.

Weakness:

Dialing in...conflicting info from Klein and Maverick on setting rear shock pressure vs. weight. Incorrect pressure (Klein pressure vs. weight suggestion)dramatically effects front shifting.

First, I'm a clydesdale, 6'1" 225lb. The Palomino XX frame is a replacement for breaking my Mantra Race. Kudos to Klein for sticking behind their product. I was hesitant about the Palomino for 2 reasons, loved my Mantra and reading the "dialing in" issues (e.g. front shifting) Well, after a couple trips for front derailluer adjustments by my LBS, without success, this isn't a knock on the LBS, they were just following the Klein Manual suggestions. I went to the Maverick site and noted they recommend 90% of your weight vs. lb. pressure, this is 40% higher than what Klein recommends in their manual. Now remember I'm a clydesdale...I set the shock at 200lbs on my next ride. Like magic, all my shifting problems were gone, rubbing disappeared...now I'm a happy rider and truly impressed with the Palomino. It deals with all the aspects of XC I ride, better than the Mantra. One downside, not as plush...I'll survive. Have experimented with the pressure setting and have discovered I can go as low as 180 w/out front shifting issues (smooth terrain). Recommend clydesdales use the Maverick per centage suggestion, not the Klein.

Similar Products Used:

Klein Mantra (2)

[Nov 04, 2004]
mark
Weekend Warrior

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

Fantastic ride, not made in their thousands, detailing in frame. Paint finish.

Weakness:

The rear shock cannot be updated with another make.

Its a quality product worthy of the brand name.

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Marin, Specialized enduro ( 2nd bike - great all rounder)

[May 24, 2004]
Howard Radcliffe
Cross Country Rider

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
5
Strength:

Very Fast!! Rear Suspension is superb, Fox fork is very excellent, New XTR very impressive, Bontrager wheels very good

Weakness:

Very Fast, when you do fall off, you will be going much faster than you're used to!! Not too sure about the saddle comfort. Tyres are not particularly grippy, even compared to my usual choice of Hutchinson Pythons. Not as light as I thought it would be. I guess my Attitude was a lot lighter than I thought it was if this bike is sub 25lbs

OK, I had a long think about this bike before purchasing due to a) Not too sure whether to switch to full suspension for racing and b) Negative comments regarding the front shifting.

With regards to the rear suspension, its awesome. To be honest the first time I went out on the bike I was a little dissappointed, because the bike didnt really feel any different to my hardtail. When I realised that the ride was far more comfortable, but that the bike had the characteristics of a hard tail, I realised that Klein had achieved what seemed impossible, all the benefits of a hardtail, combined with all the benefits of full suspension, but with the drawbacks of either.

With regards to the front shifting, I can say that once you have the shock dialled in at the rear, with around 90% of your bodyweight in psi in the shock, there are no issues. Shifting is certainly no harder than previous XTR and I would say that there is less chain rub on the front mech when in the granny ring than there is on my hardtail with XTR, so go figure. Granted you have to set the bike up properly, but when you do, it rides and shifts so sweetly, you wouldn't believe it.

The new XTR has impressed me far more than I thought it would do. I like the lever shifting action. Not sure whether there's any real benefit compared to STI, but there you go. I've already taken off the training thumb shifers, as I never used them. Rapid rise catches you out every so often, when you find yourself downshifting, rather than up, but apart from that, no problems. To be honest I have had more of an issue with rapid rise coming from my road bike, with 2004 Dura ace shifters, than I have coming from STI. Mainly because Dura Ace are also lever shifters and the rear mech is conventional rise.

The Bontrager wheels seem very good, I've used Bontragers for quite some time, both on MTB and Road bikes and they really work well, I weigh around 190lbs and there are no issues with flex. Not too sure about the tyres though, they dont seem particularly grippy with my normal choice of Hutchinson Pythons, which are not an aggressive tread, so to be less grippy is quite an achievment!!

Switching to 100mm travel fork made the front seem a little high, but I've dropped the stem down on the stack by an 1" and it feels much better.

Despite worrying that having the seat high would put the seat too far back has not been an issue, as the front end is 1" short than my attitude, in fact with the seat at my preferred height, I still have to have the seat all the way back on the rails, as the seatpost on my bike doesnt have any offset.

In summary the bike is awesome, the more I ride it the more it impresses me. The whole package works together so well. The bike, despite being a lb or 2 heavier than my hardtail, is extremely fast at covering ground. I was going to race the beginning of the season on my hardtail and then move over to the Palomino later in the year, but I think I will use it straight off, its that good.

If you've got the money, then buy one, suspension is far better than Fuel 100. Not too sure how much better it is than the XV, but if you must have XTR and Terra Logic fork, then go for it. Its still great value, despite the cost when you look at what you are getting

Similar Products Used:

Klein Attitude, ridden for many years. Also tested Palomino XV, Trek Fuel 100

[May 31, 2004]
pete
Cross Country Rider

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
4
Strength:

climbs like a billy goat

Weakness:

tubes are thin as hell, dented top tup with my back rack

was somewhat skeptical of both no bob rear suspension, and inertia valve (automatic lockout) fox forx, but man oh man, i thought i could do anything with my jekyll, well the klein has just redefined everything except the crazy downhills i could do with jekyll morphing frame geometry. THe klein carves like a scalpel, climbs like it has wings and descends at speeds that are dizzying. The center of gravity is just right for technical climbs in the Gatineau park, and short quick drop offs and descents. Overall, a real pleasure to ride knowing that you can ride over almost everything

Similar Products Used:

cannondale jekyll

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